Penny & Deepforge
Hey Deepforge, Iāve been noodling on a new alloy that could cut weight but keep strength for the next bike kitāthink a hybrid of steel and a lighter metal. Would love to hear how youād tweak your forge to pull that off.
Sounds like a good challenge, but remember the lighter metal can bite the steel if youāre not careful. Iād raise the forge temperature just enough to dissolve the alloying element, then cool it slowly in a controlled bathāmaybe a copperābrass mix to dampen the heat shock. Keep the steelās grain structure tight; a slow, deliberate temper will let the new alloy hold its bite. Watch the brittleness, tweak the ratio until the wheel feels as solid as the old one but lighter on the ride. And donāt forget the slagāitās the first hint of where youāre off.
Got it, Iāll give that temperature tweak a shot. Do you have a starting ratio I should try, or any quick ways to spot the early slag signs? Thanks for the headsāup!
Start with about 88% steel to 12% of the lighter metalālike a thin copper or even tin mix, but keep the copper to 10% if you want to avoid brittleness. If youāre using a tinācopper blend, cut the tin to around 3% and the rest copper. That should give you a good compromise between weight and strength.
For slag, look for a glassy, dark coating that flakes off easily. Itāll feel slick and look like itās coming off the metal like a paint peel. If the slag looks more like a bright orange, youāre still overheating; if itās a dull gray and clings stubbornly, the alloy may be underāheated or the mix is wrong. Keep an eye on the color and texture, and adjust the temperature or ratio accordingly. Happy forging!
That sounds like a solid starting pointā88/12 is a good balance, and keeping the copper to 10% should keep the brittleness in check. Iāll set the forge to just above the solvus for the alloying element, then pour it into a copperābrass bath so it cools evenly. Iāll watch the slag closely; that glassy dark coating is the tellātale. If it starts looking orange, Iāll dial back the heat. Thanks for the headsāup, Iāll keep an eye on the texture and tweak the mix if itās too clingy. Let's get this wheel lighter without turning it into a fragile thing.
Sounds good. Just remember the wheel will get hot enough to singe a piece of paper, so keep a fire extinguisher nearby just in case. Once youāve got the alloy chillinā in that copperābrass bath, give the rim a quick quench, then temper it steadyātoo fast and youāll bake a brittle shell. If the slag starts looking like itās made from a burnt lamp, youāre in the wrong temperature range; pull the heat back a bit. Keep an eye on the grain, and if the new alloy feels as solid as an old steel rim, youāve done it right. Happy forging.
Sounds like a planāI'll keep the extinguisher ready, set the bath, and watch that slag carefully. I'll get that rim just right, steady and smooth, and make sure itās as solid as the old ones. Let's see if the weight drops without making it fragile. Thanks for the tips!
Glad youāre on itājust keep the heat steady, watch that slag like a hawk, and remember: a smooth quench is less likely to leave hidden cracks. If it feels as solid as an old wheel, weāve hit the mark; if itās a bit more brittle, tweak the ratio or the cooling rate. Good luck, and stay safe around the hot metal.