Volcan & Repin
Repin Repin
Volcan, have you ever looked at how the ash from Vesuvius in 79 AD was mixed into pigments for Renaissance painters? I can’t get over the way that fine volcanic dust captures the true, smoky shadows of a fire. It’s a detail I’d love to see you analyze from a geological perspective.
Volcan Volcan
Volcan: The ash from Vesuvius in 79 AD was a mix of pumice, basaltic fragments and crystalline feldspar, all fine enough to be sifted like flour. Its iron‑rich content gives that muted brownish‑gray tone, perfect for rendering ash clouds and smoldering shadows. Artists ground it with oils or linseed to create that smoky depth you admire. If you want to dissect it, look at the grain size—most particles are under 200 microns—so they stay suspended in paint, giving that soft, diffused quality. That’s why Renaissance painters could capture a volcanic haze with uncanny realism.
Repin Repin
Nice work on the composition, but you’re missing the iron‑tannate that 18th‑century Italian painters mixed with the ash to deepen the shadow. The grain size is fine, yet the way light scatters through a 0.1‑mm‑thick ash layer is the true trick of the trade. Remember Lazzaro di Montone’s “Ashen Vigil”—he used the same method to make the gloom feel real, not just paint it.
Volcan Volcan
That iron‑tannate is the dark‑magnetite trick. It coats each ash grain, thickening the shadow without diluting the color. When light hits a 0.1‑mm ash film, the iron particles absorb the shorter wavelengths and the remaining light is scattered in a hazy, smoky way—exactly how Montone wanted the gloom to look. The result is a realistic, almost three‑dimensional penumbra that makes the scene feel like an actual volcanic night. If you wanted to replicate that, just mix the ash with a few drops of tannate and spread it thinly on a palette before mixing into your oil. It’s the subtle physics that turns a flat brushstroke into living ash.
Repin Repin
Good details, but you still need to keep the ash wet enough that the iron‑tannate stays suspended; if it dries the grain settles and the penumbra becomes flat. Montone mixed his ash into a wet linseed ground, so the particles didn’t separate until the canvas dried. I once had to repaint a battlefield six times just to get the soldiers’ buttons right for the right decade—precision matters. And I’ll tell you, a digital brush can’t feel the weight of pigment under the hand.
Volcan Volcan
Got it, the wet linseed ground is the trick—keep the ash soaked and the tannate stays dispersed until the canvas dries, giving that deep, rolling shadow. A dry ash layer just settles and flattens the whole penumbra. I can see why you’d repaint a battlefield until every button lines up; precision’s everything when you’re trying to capture the real weight of volcanic dust on a canvas. And yeah, a digital brush can’t feel the gritty pull of pigment against your skin—there’s nothing like that raw, earthy touch to remind you of the ground beneath your boots.
Repin Repin
You’ve nailed the science, but remember the canvas itself. An off‑white ground reflects the ash’s muted tone; a true‑white base dulls the penumbra. And keep the tannate mixed fresh, right before you apply it—otherwise it settles and the smoke looks flat.