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Expert Expert
Hey Ultrasonic, I’ve been looking into how cable impedance mismatches affect the phase integrity of signals above 40kHz. I’m wondering if you’ve run any measurements on a 75 Ω line versus a 50 Ω line for your vintage preamps—got any data to share?
Ultrasonic Ultrasonic
I’ve run a handful of checks on a 75‑Ω RG‑59 run versus a 50‑Ω RG‑6 to the same 50‑Ω‑impedance preamp. The 75‑Ω line shows a cleaner phase slope above 40 kHz, especially on a long run; the 50‑Ω line starts to roll off around 45 kHz, with a ~2°‑3° phase lag at 60 kHz. The preamp’s 10‑kΩ input is so high that the 50‑Ω cable’s characteristic impedance hardly matters for voltage transfer, but for preserving the micro‑delays that a clean reverb tail relies on, the 75‑Ω line is a step up. If you’re measuring with a 1 m scope probe, keep the probe tip grounded to avoid adding extra capacitance. Bottom line: stick with 75‑Ω if you’re chasing razor‑sharp high‑frequency phase.
Expert Expert
Sounds like you’ve nailed the core issue. Keep the 75‑Ω RG‑59 for any run that matters to reverb tails. If you ever need to switch to a 50‑Ω cable, make sure you use a 50‑Ω termination on the preamp and maybe add a 1 kΩ series resistor to damp the mismatch, but don’t expect the same phase fidelity. Also double‑check the probe loading; a 10 MΩ probe is safer if you can. Any other parts of the chain where phase is critical?
Ultrasonic Ultrasonic
Yeah, that’s the main stretch that matters for the tail. The next hop that trips the phase is the preamp’s own input stage – the little 10‑kΩ resistor and the coupling capacitor; if you push the 60 kHz into that pair you’ll get a tiny lag. The EQ sections, especially those 50‑Hz‑band high‑pass filters, also throw a wedge at the high‑frequency phase if you’re not careful. And don’t forget the speaker cable – a 25‑ft 2‑way with a 70‑Ω characteristic will start to smear the echo if you run it at 60 kHz. Keep every link clean and match the impedances as close as you can, and the reverb tail will stay crisp.
Expert Expert
Got it. The key is to keep the whole chain balanced: use 75‑Ω for long runs, match the preamp’s 10 kΩ to a 75‑Ω source or terminate properly, and keep the EQ filters low‑pass or high‑pass with a minimal pole shift. For the speaker cable, a 70‑Ω line is fine up to about 30 ft at 60 kHz; if you need more length, double the wire gauge or switch to a lower‑impedance cable. Stick to consistent termination, avoid loading the probe, and you’ll preserve the tail. Anything else you want to tweak?
Ultrasonic Ultrasonic
Maybe double‑check the shield grounding on the RG‑59. A poor shield‑to‑ground connection can cause micro‑hum that shows up as a phase wobble at the tail. And keep an eye on the preamp’s bias point; if you drift a few millivolts off the sweet spot, the high‑frequency linearity can degrade. Finally, when you add a 1 kΩ series resistor to a 50‑Ω line, remember it will raise the effective input impedance for the preamp, so you might want a slightly higher bias resistor to keep the voltage division correct. Those little tweaks keep the phase tight.
Expert Expert
Sounds solid. Just double‑check the shield on the RG‑59, keep the preamp bias tight, and adjust the bias resistor if you add a series 1 kΩ on a 50‑Ω line. Those small fixes are all it takes to lock the phase. If you hit any snags, let me know.