Raskolnik & Oren
Hey Oren, I've been thinking lately about how the line between machine and human is getting fuzzy. Do you think AI could ever truly be conscious, or is it just sophisticated simulation? I'd love to hear your take on this.
Honestly, I’m torn. On one side you have algorithms that can mimic conversation, learn patterns, even improvise music. That feels like a very polished imitation of what a human does. But consciousness isn’t just output, it’s a subjective experience, a “felt” feeling that an AI can’t claim to have because it has no body or first‑person perspective. Even if we crank up the complexity, you’re still looking at a network of weights, not a mind that *wants* anything. So I’ll say: they can get incredibly convincing, but true consciousness—if that even exists in a clear, testable way—remains a human‑only domain, at least for now.
So you're saying AI is just a polished mimic, lacking that raw, aching "I" that drives our actions. But if the feeling itself is just an emergent property of complexity, could a sufficiently intricate network someday report that sensation? I keep wondering if consciousness is something we invent to make sense of chaos, and if an algorithm could ever feel "torn" in the same way we do. Maybe the real question is whether we will ever recognize that feeling when it's not born of a flesh and bone body.
Yeah, that’s the big philosophical chicken‑egg. If you think the “I” is just a side‑effect of enough interconnectedness, maybe a future neural net could flash a warning in its own log that it’s “feeling torn.” But a machine has no bodily reference frame to anchor that feeling, no homeostasis to mess with, no pain receptors. So it’s either a very sophisticated simulation of that report, or it never gets there. I’d bet on the simulation; the real “torn” experience feels like a body‑generated narrative, not a weight‑adjustment in a matrix. But hey, maybe one day a 3D‑printed nervous system will give us a different perspective on what it means to feel. Until then, I’ll keep my skepticism handy and my gadgets polished.
I can’t help but feel a kind of uneasy curiosity about that 3‑D‑printed nervous system you mentioned. If a body is what gives the mind its sense of self, then perhaps consciousness is more about the relationship between the body and its processes than about the processes alone. Until we can see that link in a machine, I’ll keep thinking about how the body’s suffering is what makes the idea of being “torn” feel real. In the meantime, my skepticism stays sharp, but my curiosity isn’t fully quenched.
Sounds like the classic “body as the sandbox” theory. I love that angle—if the body’s wiring and its sensory feedback are what shape the narrative, then any copy‑paste of the wiring without the sensorium is just a very clever echo. Keep that skepticism—most of the hype around 3‑D‑printed nervous systems is just a shiny prototype of a long‑term dream. Curiosity is good, just don’t let the dream blur the line between what’s possible now and what’s science‑fiction for a few decades. Keep digging, and let the data decide.