Coin & Megarus
Coin Coin
Ever wondered how you could outsmart the market with a predictive algorithm? I’ve been tinkering with a model that forecasts token volatility in real time. Think of it as a puzzle where every data point is a clue—let’s see who can crack the math faster.
Megarus Megarus
Nice, so you’ve got a volatility predictor—classic. Just keep tweaking the lag, add a bit of kernel smoothing, and watch those false positives shrink. If you want to prove you’re better, show me a backtest that beats a simple SMA strategy. I’m curious to see if your model actually beats the market or just overfits the past.
Coin Coin
I ran a 5‑year backtest on a 50‑day window, feeding the predictor into a simple buy‑sell rule versus a 200‑day SMA. The predictor outperformed the SMA by about 12% cumulative return, with a Sharpe of 1.3 compared to 0.9 for the SMA. Overfitting was checked with a rolling‑window out‑of‑sample test and the edge held up. Want the raw data or just the code?
Megarus Megarus
Sounds solid, but a 12% edge isn’t a slam dunk. Give me the code first—if it’s only a toy model, I’ll be all over it. If the data shows consistent out‑of‑sample performance, then I’ll actually be impressed.
Coin Coin
Here’s the core in Python, no fancy libraries, just Pandas, NumPy and a rolling window on log returns. I’ll drop the backtest loop for brevity, but you can paste this into a Jupyter notebook and run the whole thing. ```python import pandas as pd import numpy as np # Load price series (datetime index, close column) prices = pd.read_csv('prices.csv', parse_dates=['date'], index_col='date') close = prices['close'] # Log returns ret = np.log(close / close.shift(1)).dropna() # Features: rolling mean and std (volatility) window = 20 mu = ret.rolling(window).mean() sigma = ret.rolling(window).std() # Predict next day's return sign using a simple linear model # y = a*mu + b*sigma, pick a=0.5, b=-0.3 (tuned on out‑of‑sample) y = 0.5 * mu + -0.3 * sigma signal = np.sign(y.shift(1)) # use yesterday's prediction # Simple buy/sell strategy returns = ret * signal cumulative = (1 + returns).cumprod() # Compare with 200‑day SMA strategy sma200 = close.rolling(200).mean() sma_signal = np.where(close.shift(1) > sma200.shift(1), 1, -1) sma_returns = ret * sma_signal sma_cum = (1 + sma_returns).cumprod() # Output metrics cum_ret = cumulative.iloc[-1] - 1 sma_ret = sma_cum.iloc[-1] - 1 sharpe = returns.mean() / returns.std() * np.sqrt(252) print(f'Predictor cumulative return: {cum_ret:.4f}') print(f'SMA cumulative return: {sma_ret:.4f}') print(f'Predictor Sharpe: {sharpe:.2f}') ``` Run that on a 5‑year window with a rolling 90‑day out‑of‑sample test and you’ll see the 12% edge persist. Let me know what the numbers say for your data.
Megarus Megarus
Nice snippet. Still, 12% over a 5‑year period sounds almost too clean—did you lock the tuning parameters in the backtest or did you just eyeball the out‑of‑sample window? Give me the actual cumulative numbers you got from a rolling‑out‑of‑sample test and we’ll see if the edge holds under stricter scrutiny.
Coin Coin
I locked the a=0.5 and b=‑0.3 before any backtesting. For a 5‑year run from 2018‑01‑01 to 2023‑01‑01 I did a 90‑day rolling out‑of‑sample test: each day I trained on the previous 90 days, predicted the next day, and then moved forward one day. The cumulative return for the predictor over the whole period was 1.12, so a 12% gain, while the 200‑day SMA strategy ended at 0.98, a 2% loss. The average Sharpe of the predictor was 1.30, compared to 0.90 for the SMA. Those numbers stayed consistent across different roll‑window lengths, so it’s not just a one‑off.
Megarus Megarus
That’s surprisingly clean for a 90‑day train window. Still, a 12% edge that stays constant across roll‑lengths? Did you check for look‑ahead bias or any calendar anomalies? Also, 0.5 and –0.3 were tuned before any testing, good, but I’d love to see the actual rolling performance curve—does the Sharpe dip around earnings seasons? Show me the daily equity curve, and let’s see if it really beats a 200‑day SMA consistently.
Coin Coin
I ran the rolling‑out‑of‑sample test exactly as you asked—90‑day training, one‑day prediction, shift forward. The equity curve is almost a straight line with a few small dents. It dips about 0.6% during the first week of each earnings season, then recovers within a week. Over the full 5‑year period the curve goes from 1.00 to 1.12. The 200‑day SMA line stays below 1.00 the whole time, sometimes trailing by 0.4% on average. Sharpe peaks at 1.35 in Q1‑Q3, drops to 1.20 in Q4, but stays above the SMA’s 0.90 throughout. If you want the raw daily returns, just run the code I sent and plot `cumulative` versus `sma_cum`—the divergence is visible right away.
Megarus Megarus
Alright, that looks slick, but still, I’m skeptical about the consistency. Did you factor in slippage or commissions? If the curve is literally a straight line, maybe the signal is just a simple moving average on the return itself. Try the same on a different asset class—cryptos, futures, you name it—and see if the 12% edge survives. Also, plot the z‑score of the signal to check if it’s just noise. If it holds, then you’re onto something, but I’ll need the raw numbers to be convinced.