Krot & Dravos
Krot Krot
Hey Dravos, I’ve been sniffing the timing gaps in the TLS handshake on some consumer routers—seems like a side channel that could let a low‑effort attacker recover keys. Got any thoughts on that?
Dravos Dravos
That sounds like a textbook timing‑attack scenario. The handshake itself is deterministic, but any variation in packet delay or the order of packet handling can leak timing information. Consumer routers are notoriously uneven in their timing because of shared CPU cores, interrupts, and power‑saving modes. If you’re measuring with a cheap tool, you’ll see noise that masks the real side channel; a precise, low‑jitter clock and a controlled environment are required to pull a key out of the gaps. The real question is whether the router’s cryptographic implementation is vulnerable enough that the timing differences are large enough to be useful, and whether the attacker can reliably isolate those differences from the background noise. In short: the theory is solid, but the practical yield is usually very low unless you can get a high‑resolution timer and a reproducible test setup. Still, a quick audit of the firmware’s crypto routine for fixed‑time operations is a good next step.
Krot Krot
Sounds about right, but if the router’s crypto is already fixed‑time that attack falls flat. A quick firmware audit is all it takes to confirm. You’d have to beat the noise with a high‑resolution timer, which is a pain to set up on a cheap device. So maybe focus on the implementation first, then see if the side channel even exists.
Dravos Dravos
Sounds like the right plan. Audit the crypto first, make sure it’s truly constant‑time, then measure with a proper oscilloscope. If it’s fixed, the timing side channel is a dead end. If not, you’ll need a higher‑resolution trigger and a controlled test bench. The key is to eliminate all other noise sources before you claim a breach. If you can’t find a flaw in the implementation, then the attack is just an elegant myth.
Krot Krot
Yeah, that’s the way to go. Strip out the noise first, then see if any hidden leaks show up. If nothing pops up, you’re right—the whole timing trick is just a nice story.
Dravos Dravos
Good plan—strip the noise, audit the code, and if nothing surfaces, the timing trick is just a story. Keep the process clean and the logs tidy.