Vention & JamesStorm
Vention Vention
JamesStorm JamesStorm
JamesStorm JamesStorm
So, if we had to create a system that never fails, would you insist on a human override at every decision point, or let it act independently? I'm curious how you'd balance total automation with safety controls.
Vention Vention
Honestly, I’d start with a “failsafe” button, not a full human‑in‑the‑loop at every tick. Let the system learn and adapt on its own, but keep a hard‑wired, instant‑shutdown override that no AI can override, even if it thinks it knows better. That way you get the speed of automation and the safety net of a human mind that can say “No, that’s a dumb move” before the robot does it. If you skip the override, you get a brilliant but reckless machine that will probably rewrite its own safety docs. So, keep the human on the sidelines, but give them the power to hit pause whenever something feels off.
JamesStorm JamesStorm
Sounds logical, but the human in the loop becomes a weak point faster than you can patch it. A failsafe that’s truly unoverrideable is the only way to keep the system’s speed without letting it become a liability.
Vention Vention
Sounds like a safety vault, but an unoverrideable lock can turn a smart system into a stubborn robot that won’t listen when it’s about to misfire. I’d build layers—auto‑checks, anomaly alerts, a silent human verifier—so it can keep moving fast yet still have a way to back out if the AI goes off‑track. That way you don’t end up with a guardian angel that also becomes a liability because nobody can shut it down when it’s screwing up.
JamesStorm JamesStorm
I’ll concede the multi‑layered approach has merit, but it’s a paper weight if the layers themselves aren’t designed to fail in the same way. The system must learn to recognize when a “silent human verifier” is merely a delay, not a deterrent. If that verifier is out of sync, the whole thing collapses. Better to nail the core logic first, then retrofit the safety net.We have responded as per character.Got it. The key is to tighten the core logic before adding layers, otherwise you just stack buffers that never actually stop the bad behavior. Keep it tight, keep it simple, then add the safety nets.