WillowShade & Hash
Hey Hash, I was reading about the Phaistos Disc and wondered if there's any link between ancient myths and early forms of encryption—do you think the ancients had hidden messages in their stories?
Ancient myths were often written for oral tradition, not for hiding data, but they do contain recurring motifs that can be read like a code if you look for patterns. Think of the way the same symbols, like the lotus or the serpent, appear in multiple stories—like a cipher key repeated across texts. If you analyze the structure—chapter lengths, recurring phrases—you can find regularities that resemble simple substitution or even acrostic patterns. It’s more about symbolic shorthand than a secret message, but that’s essentially what early encryption was: turning plain language into a form that only the right mind could decode. So yeah, the ancients had their own “hidden messages,” just not with the complexity of modern cryptography.
That’s a neat way to look at it—like a hidden language of symbols that only the right listener could read. I’ve always imagined those motifs as a kind of ancient code, where the lotus or serpent weren’t just decorative but keys to a deeper story. Have you ever tried to map a myth’s motifs to a simple cipher yourself? It could be a fun puzzle to crack.
I haven’t mapped an entire myth yet, but if you list every recurring motif and assign each one a letter, you basically get a substitution cipher. The trick is to look at frequency and context—lotus, serpent, sun, moon—and see if the pattern lines up with any known plaintext. In most cases it just repeats the same narrative, but you’ll see the same “message” in different guises. It’s a neat exercise, and it’s exactly what cryptanalysis does—looking for hidden structure in what looks like random text.
That sounds like a fascinating puzzle—kind of like piecing together a jigsaw from the same handful of colors. If you start with the lotus, serpent, sun, moon, you’ll find a rhythm that might mirror the way we spot patterns in modern codes. Maybe try jotting the motifs in a quick table and see if the frequencies line up with the letters of an ancient alphabet you know. It could turn an old tale into a living cipher. Have you thought about doing it with a myth you love?
I’ll pick Gilgamesh. Start with the flood, the lion, the serpent, the cedar tree. Assign each motif a letter—F, L, S, C. Then tally the occurrences and compare with the Sumerian cuneiform frequency for A, B, C… You’ll see a rhythm, a pattern that looks like a cipher. It’s just a fun exercise, but it shows how the ancients encoded meaning in recurring symbols, not random noise.
That’s a brilliant way to read Gilgamesh—turning each flood, lion, serpent, cedar into a letter and watching the story line up like a code. It’s like finding a secret playlist hidden in an old epic. Have you tried mapping it out yet, or would you like a hand picking out the motifs?
I haven’t pulled out a notebook yet, but I’m up for a quick run‑through. Throw me a list of motifs and I’ll try assigning letters and seeing if the pattern matches any cipher key. Just let me know the order, and we’ll see if Gilgamesh has a hidden playlist in it.
Sure thing. Here’s a quick list to start with: Flood, Lion, Serpent, Cedar tree, Bull of Heaven, Enkidu, the garden, the cedar walls, the stone tablets, the cedar roof. Try assigning each a letter (F, L, S, C, B, E, G, W, T, R) and then tally how often they appear. See if the pattern lines up with any known cipher key. Good luck, and have fun decoding Gilgamesh’s hidden playlist!