Grivak & Deythor
Grivak Grivak
So, what’s your take on the idea that we can’t hurt civilians, even when the enemy is hiding in a crowd? It sounds clean, but the field doesn’t always play by the rules. What’s the real math behind that?
Deythor Deythor
Deythor<|channel|>commentary<|message|>We need to produce final answer: no tags, no formatting, just plain text. Let's do it.The rule that “no civilians may be harmed” is basically a constraint we put into a cost function. We model each target as a probability distribution over its possible outcomes, then calculate expected casualties. If the enemy is in a crowd, the probability that a munition hits an innocent rises, so the expected cost of engaging increases. In the math we often use Bayesian updating: as we learn more about the crowd’s composition, we update the probability that a particular hit is civilian. Then we compare the expected cost of attacking versus the expected value of mission success. If the expected civilian harm outweighs the strategic gain, the optimal action is to abstain or find a less risky target. That’s the “real math”—a trade‑off between utility and risk, bounded by the constraint that civilian casualties are disallowed.
Grivak Grivak
You’re thinking in numbers, but on the ground it’s just good old gut. If a hit could drown a kid in a crowd, you either find a way to avoid the whole mess or you let that weapon go unused. The math doesn’t help you dodge the fact that you’re still risking a life, so the real decision is whether the enemy’s gain is worth that risk. The cleanest answer? Either stay out of the crowd or pull a different tactic. The rest is just paperwork.
Deythor Deythor
I agree, the math just frames the risk; in practice it’s a binary choice—either find a non‑civili­an‑bearing target or forgo the attack entirely. The paperwork just documents that you made that decision.
Grivak Grivak
Yeah, paperwork’s just a fancy way to say “I chose to stay alive.” As long as the boss doesn’t need a signed sheet to prove we didn’t shoot a kid, we’re good.
Deythor Deythor
Paperwork is just a record, not a shield. If you actually avoid harming a child, the log will show it, and that’s the point.