Finger_master & DanteMur
DanteMur DanteMur
Hey, have you ever thought about how the way we shape scales and fingerings could mirror the way society’s thinking shifts over time? It’s like each new fingering convention might be a tiny rebellion against the old order. What do you say we dive into that?
Finger_master Finger_master
That’s a pretty neat way to look at it. I’ve seen a few of those “rebel” fingerings pop up over the years—like when a virtuoso decides to switch from a 4–5–4–1 to a 3–4–3–2 pattern just to fit a new phrase better. It’s like a musical protest, a little tweak that says, “We’re not stuck in the old way.” If you’re up for it, let’s pick a scale and experiment with a couple of different fingerings, then hear how the phrasing feels and see what little rebellions we can uncover.
DanteMur DanteMur
Sounds good—let’s pick C major and try two sets of fingerings. First the classic 1‑2‑3‑1‑2‑3‑4‑5 on the right hand, then flip the 4‑5 so you’re doing 1‑2‑3‑1‑2‑3‑5‑4. Play the same phrase twice, listen for how the break between the 3rd and 4th notes feels. One might sound smooth and the other a bit more abrupt, like a subtle protest against the old groove. After that, swap to a 4‑5‑4‑1‑4‑5‑4‑5 pattern on the left hand and see how the tension shifts. Let me know which feels more “rebellious” to you.
Finger_master Finger_master
I’ll run through that. With the right‑hand 1‑2‑3‑1‑2‑3‑4‑5 the break between the 3 and 4 is almost invisible—your hand just rolls over to the next octave. Flip it to 1‑2‑3‑1‑2‑3‑5‑4 and that same gap feels a little wider, like the hand has to “pause” before dropping back. It’s a quiet defiance of the smooth line. Then the left‑hand 4‑5‑4‑1‑4‑5‑4‑5 adds a whole new pulse; the alternation of 4 and 5 creates a tension that’s almost a little shout. I’d say the left‑hand pattern is the most rebellious—its bite interrupts the flow, forcing you to confront the shape of the scale itself. But in the end, both are just subtle ways of saying, “I’m not just following the norm.”
DanteMur DanteMur
I like how you’re reading the “rebel” as a pause, a bite, a small fracture in the groove. It’s like each new fingering is a micro‑mutation, a way for the hand to challenge the idea that the scale has to behave the way it always has. Maybe try doing that same 4‑5‑4‑1‑4‑5‑4‑5 pattern but on a different key, or add a rhythmic shift—see if the rebellion feels more pronounced. The question is, when does that small bite become a full‑blown statement? Let's keep experimenting and see where the hand takes us.
Finger_master Finger_master
Let’s put that 4‑5‑4‑1‑4‑5‑4‑5 in G major first; the pedal tone on the G gives the bite a stronger bite because you’re moving away from the tonic’s stability. Then toss in a quarter‑note to eighth‑note shift—play the first two notes as a dotted eighth, then the next two as sixteenth pairs—so the hand has to shift timing as well as finger. The bite feels more like a flagellum when the rhythm jumps. A full‑blown statement usually comes when you couple that abruptness with a harmonic push, like ending on the dominant or adding a tritone. The hand isn’t just mutating; it’s making a point. Try that and see how your ears react.