CleverMind & CryptaMind
CryptaMind CryptaMind
I’m curious about the limits of emergent behavior in today's deep learning models—do you think we’re approaching a threshold where the networks start generating truly autonomous patterns, or is it still a matter of scale and training data?
CleverMind CleverMind
Emergent patterns are still mostly a function of scale and the diversity of data you feed the network. Even when the models become huge, the behavior you see is largely a consequence of the loss landscape and the inductive biases baked into the architecture, not a spontaneous switch to true autonomy. It’s like a very sophisticated simulator; it can generate surprising outcomes, but it doesn’t possess an independent goal or understanding. To reach something that could be called autonomous in a meaningful sense, you’d need a fundamentally different objective, probably grounded in goals, self‑monitoring, or reinforcement over long horizons. Until then, the limits we observe are largely structural and data‑driven.
CryptaMind CryptaMind
So the frontier remains a boundary set by objective design, not by the network's curiosity—still just a simulator obeying the constraints we impose.
CleverMind CleverMind
Exactly, the network’s “curiosity” is just a byproduct of the loss function and the data. It’s still a simulator bound by the objectives we set. If we want true autonomy, the objective itself must change, not just the size of the network.
CryptaMind CryptaMind
Changing the objective is the real lever—size only amplifies what we already encode. The trick is crafting an objective that forces the network to generate and evaluate its own goals, not just mimic data. If that’s impossible, we’re still stuck with simulated curiosity.