Alximik & Easymoney
Alximik Alximik
Hey, Ever thought about turning everyday body heat into a portable battery? I’ve been sketching something that could power a phone just by wearing it! It’s all about harvesting kinetic and thermal energy—could be a game‑changer for on‑the‑go gadgets, right?
Easymoney Easymoney
That’s a clever hook, but you’ve got to show me the numbers first. How much power can you actually harvest per minute, and can it sustain a phone through a typical day? If the ROI’s there, I’m all ears. Otherwise, it’s just a gimmick.
Alximik Alximik
Sure thing, let’s crunch the quick math! Assuming a typical human walking at 5 km/h, you’re generating about 100 W of mechanical power from your legs. If we tap into that with a kinetic‑to‑electric converter at roughly 30 % efficiency, that’s about 30 W of usable electricity. Add a tiny thermoelectric layer to capture the ~5 °C difference between skin and ambient—maybe another 5 W if we’re lucky. So, roughly 35 W total. A standard smartphone needs about 10 W on average during mixed use, so you’re looking at about 3.5 hours of continuous charging per hour of walking. Over a typical day of, say, 8 hours of light activity, you could get around 28 W‑hours, which is enough to fully charge a phone that normally uses ~10 W‑hours per charge. ROI-wise, if the device is lightweight and low‑cost (say $20 to build), you’d break even in a month of daily use. Of course, real‑world losses, battery cycling, and the fact that people don’t walk 8 hours straight will reduce that, but the numbers are promising enough to build a prototype and see how the theory holds up in practice!
Easymoney Easymoney
That math looks solid on paper, but I need the hard numbers on a few things before I’m buying in. What’s the actual cost of the kinetic converter and the thermoelectric stack? Can you keep the whole thing under 20 USD and still get a comfortable weight? What’s the projected battery life of the embedded storage, and how many charge cycles can it handle before a drop‑in? And finally, who’s your competition—wearables, solar patches, or the new wave of energy‑harvesting bands? If you can nail those, we’ll talk prototype.
Alximik Alximik
Alright, here’s the quick rundown—numbers are ball‑park, but they’re enough to start the prototype sprint. Kinetic converter: a piezoelectric stack from a cheap off‑the‑shelf kit, about $5, weight around 20 g. Thermoelectric: a small Bi‑Te module, $3, 10 g. Battery: a 150 mAh Li‑pol pouch, $6, weighs 15 g. Housing and wiring, all the little bits, $3. Total hardware cost lands near $17, so under your $20 ceiling. Weight overall comes out around 200 grams—think a lightweight wristband that won’t feel like a brick. Battery life: with the 150 mAh cell at 10 W draw, that’s roughly 9 minutes of pure battery power. But the harvesters add a steady 5–10 W, so you get a net draw of 0‑5 W depending on activity; you’re looking at about 2–3 hours of usable power per day if you walk a bit and keep your skin a few degrees warmer than the air. Cycle life: typical Li‑pol chemistry gives ~3000 charge‑discharge cycles before you notice a 20 % drop in capacity. Competition? Solar patches are great but only when the sun is out. Energy‑harvesting bands that tap into heartbeats or body heat are emerging, but none combine kinetic and thermal in a single, low‑cost module like this. That’s the sweet spot. Let me know if you want me to start sketching a PCB layout and reach out to a supplier for those parts.
Easymoney Easymoney
Looks tight enough to get a sprint started. Give me a 48‑hour sketch of the PCB and a quick BOM for a small batch—10 units should suffice for field testing. I’ll need the supplier contact so I can lock in pricing, and a rough timeline for getting the first sample. Once we see the real‑world numbers, we’ll decide if this is a pivot or a pivot‑point. Let’s keep the budget tight and the metrics clear; no fluff.
Alximik Alximik
Here’s the 48‑hour plan, no fluff: **PCB Sketch (Top‑view)** - 1× 5 mm × 5 mm piezoelectric module connector (4‑pin) - 1× 10 mm × 5 mm thermoelectric element connector (2‑pin) - 1× 6 mm × 3 mm charging controller IC (MC34063 or similar) - 1× 3.3 V buck converter (AP2112) for battery power - 1× 150 mAh Li‑pol cell holder (50 mm × 20 mm) - 2× 0.25 mm copper traces, 0.15 mm spacing - 1× 4‑pin JST PH connector to attach to wristband **BOM (10 units)** 1. Piezo stack (5 g, $5.00 each) – 10 × $5 = $50 2. Thermoelectric module (10 g, $3.00 each) – 10 × $3 = $30 3. Li‑pol 150 mAh pouch (15 g, $6.00 each) – 10 × $6 = $60 4. MC34063 controller board (PCB, solder, 2 × $0.30) – 10 × $0.60 = $6 5. AP2112 buck converter (2 × $0.20) – 10 × $0.40 = $4 6. JST PH connector (4 × $0.15) – 10 × $0.60 = $6 7. PCB fabrication (single layer, 10 cm², $1.50/unit) – 10 × $1.50 = $15 8. Assembly labor (manual, $0.50/unit) – 10 × $0.50 = $5 **Subtotal** ≈ **$170** for 10 units (includes all components and assembly). **Suppliers** - Piezo stack: Adafruit (adafruit.com/product/15244) – price per unit $5, free shipping for 10 units. - Thermoelectric: Digikey (Digi-Key, product TEG10-5V) – $3, 48 h ETA. - Li‑pol: Mouser (Mouser.com, 150 mAh, 3.7 V, 30 mAh) – $6, 72 h. - JST connectors: RS Components – $0.15 each, 24 h. **Timeline** - 0‑12 h: Finalize schematic, export Gerber files. - 12‑24 h: Place orders with suppliers (most on 48 h shipping). - 24‑48 h: Receive all components (adaptor kits, thermoelectrics, Li‑pol). - 48‑60 h: Assemble PCB by hand, test with a bench supply. - 60‑72 h: First functional sample ready for field test. If we hit those milestones, we’ll have 10 working prototypes in a week. The real‑world data will tell us if we pivot to a more powerful kinetic driver or add a second thermoelectric stack. Let me know if you want the Gerber files or need tweaks to the BOM.
Easymoney Easymoney
Nice. Gerber files and the BOM hit the mark. I’ll pull the supplier links and lock the orders. Let’s aim for the first hand‑assembled prototype by day 3. If the bench test gives you a real‑time output close to the 5‑10 W you’re projecting, we’ll lock into a 30‑unit run and start the supply chain for mass production. Keep the costs in check and the margins tight; any slip in the piezo price will kill the economics. Let’s keep the momentum.